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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What gets me about this sort of thread, and there is another similar one over in that "other place" only that one is about the cost of rods, is that the people who spark it off are basically saying, He's got a big, posh, rod, reel, car. It's not fair and it should be taken away from him." What they fail to add is the last part of the statement which is ..... "and given to me."


I think some may do Wylye, but not everyone and certainly not me. My opinion has shifted somewhat as I've got older but my original skepticism towards expensive kit was nothing to do with envy. It was how some anglers would sometimes treat other other anglers based on how expensive their tackle was. If you had what was widely accepted to be the best (and usually the most expensive) tackle then obviously this meant you were a good angler. If you didn't you were a 'noddy' who could be safely ignored. This attitude would annoy me no end and I admit to sometimes being guilty of inverted snobbery regarding expensive kit. In later years when China came onstream the fact that rods made for $25 or less were being sold for £200 - £300 only reinforced my prejudice towards top end tackle prices. Fortunately smaller operations like SKB came along to provide some excellent kit for a much more reasonable cost. Very Happy

These days I am a little older and far more chilled out. Back then I worried about peoples opinions of me as an angler but today I don't give a toss. I am happy to admit I am among the least skilled on this forum but I'll say this ... no one on here enjoys their fishing more than I do! Cool

We go fishing to ENJOY ourselves so if that means fishing with the most expensive tackle money can buy and you can afford it - go for it. However if you rate functionality over bling and price (like me) that is fine too but if you can only afford basic kit then buy it anyway and have fun with it. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan,

I started off with the most basic of kit. A 2 piece glass fly rod bought with the proceeds of a paper round; a clapped out Intrepid reel passed on from my father. I forget where the fly line came from but it certainly wasn't new.

In my early '30's I got quite good at tying flies and negotiated a deal with a local tackle shop whereby I tied flies and I traded them for fly fishing kit. I got my first reservoir rod that way and actually bought my first brand new floating fly line - a Cortland 444. I was 30 at the time. A bit later on my first carbon fly rod came about in the same way. Basically I was prepared to do extra work in order to pay for the gear I wanted.

Nowadays I have as many fly rods as I need and don't have to tie flies in order to get them. I have never looked in envy at what others use or thought that top end gear is a waste of money and that a £50 rod is every bit as good as a £500 one. It isn't. I guided for a chap on the Kennet a week ago who had bought himself a Shakespeare Agility. As a rod it was OK, just. Skimped a bit on the fittings and the top two sections flew off in mid-cast which should not happen. Functional, but a pleasure to use? No, not really. Not the rod one would shed tears over if the dog chewed it - UNLESS it was all one could afford at the time, which in his case it wasn't. He just wanted a cheap knockabout rod in a 9' #5 and that fitted the bill.

I've fished with, and against, many hundreds of people and I can truthfully say I have never paid the slightest attention to the kit they are using. I've never thought, "Oh Hell, he's got a Sage/Scott/Winston/Loomis or Orvis rod and therefore he must be a great angler." I'm more interested in whether or not he IS a great angler irrespective of the kit he uses. Conversely I have never thought, "He's only using a Vision/ Shakespeare/ Wychwood/ Greys or Sportfish cheap rod so he must be a useless angler." I seldom even look at the kit they are using unless asked to do so by the client I happen to be guiding for. I certainly don't patrol the banks at Farmoor sizing up the gear others are using. Total waste of time in my view and anyone who DOES do that needs to pay more attention to their own fishing - they'll catch more.

There is certainly a lot in what I said in my last post concerning the British psyche. There is a lot of inverted snobbery out there. Something I read back in the '70's - British worker - he's got a big posh Rolls, it should be taken away from him......... American worker - he's got a big Cadillac. If I work hard one day I'll have two of them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What gets me about this sort of thread, and there is another similar one over in that "other place" only that one is about the cost of rods, is that the people who spark it off are basically saying, He's got a big, posh, rod, reel, car. It's not fair and it should be taken away from him." What they fail to add is the last part of the statement which is ..... "and given to me."


I don't think that's what he's saying at all. Yeah I'd take some free expensive gear, like most people. But the 'its not fair' and 'and given to me' bit are way off most people's opinions I'd have thought.

Personally I have an airflow switch. (Not the fancy one) it's light, it has a large circumference spool, so reduces line coil when I leave it on the spool all year round, spools are only a few quid, I have all 4 of my lines on separate spools for the same reel.

I'd follow arkles comment and say I'd rather have 3 or 4 lines I like than spend extra on a reel.

Just depends what your in to, some guys have cheep rods and average reels and catch far more than others who spend several hundred on a set up.

It's more 'how you use it', and you don't have to spend lots of money have smooth gear which is enjoyable to use. I personally don't like feather light rods which are thin at the but end, and I don't want to worry about putting my rod down on the bank, or not polishing my reel after every session. Plus, I may play one in ten fish off the reel, other than that, line gets stripped off at the start of Tue session and wound back on at the end.

I also coarse fish, and sea fish, and lure fish so it gets expensive lol Confused

And I've used some really crap gear in my time. First fly rod, you wouldn't even save it from a skip to string your beans up with. 40 quid John Wilson rod I've bagged bags of bream and won matches, £200 pole, done the same. Of course, better kit will be an advantage in some cases, but I could have used a baked bean can to wind my line around when fishing the banks and I'd still be asleep Chuck a line and get my flies upfront of the fish, play them, net them and do the same again!!.

I bought expensive braid for my Ireland trip, as it's a very important component. And as I've got older and have slightly more money I've bought a better coarse fishing reel (50 quid) and yes, a vast improvement on the old one I used to have and I truly think it's landed me more fish and is a pleasure to use (esp for bass!!)

Also comes down to what you can afford, what you get your enjoyment from, and how much it means to you, there endless variables to an individual's decision on what kit they buy....but it may be a very boring basically listing thought processes of an angler so il stop there Smile Laughing


Sorry gone on a bit...

Best of luck whatever you do, you won't go far wrong with any modern large diameter reel even if it's inexpensive imo.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylye wrote:
What gets me about this sort of thread, and there is another similar one over in that "other place" only that one is about the cost of rods, is that the people who spark it off are basically saying, He's got a big, posh, rod, reel, car. It's not fair and it should be taken away from him." What they fail to add is the last part of the statement which is ..... "and given to me."


I started this thread off and im not say anything like you suggest.
If I want a flash reel I will buy a flash reel, if I want a cheap one I will buy a cheap one.
Dont get like that other site, just read the question and answer the question if you want.
Dont start reading all sorts of rubbish into it just so you can turn it around to what you want to talk about.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin comment: Like I said, I'm keeping an eye on this. It's not "the other place" and we don't tolerate handbags here. Everybody behave themselves......
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, wont bring it up again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, wont bring it up again.


No need to apologise, Dry Buzzer. if you have any more questions fire away! Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try out your leeda reel you recently bought, and see what you think, try and play a fish off the reel etc. I have some leeda gear and the stuff I've bought has been good value I think.


large arbor, the drag im sure will be OK, and as long as the build quality is of a reasonable standard it should be fine. I'm always surprised how much I get for my money with fishing gear to be honest with most brands and disciplines. The shimano course reel I bought should last me ten years or much more, as long as I wash it after it gets salty.
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Admin comment: Like I said, I'm keeping an eye on this. It's not "the other place" and we don't tolerate handbags here. Everybody behave themselves......


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not according to the guy who has worked there for several years.....

The "Made in England" ones, used to be manufactured by BFR in Cornwall, in the old "Intrepid" works, but the factory shut down several years ago & production of those models went to Argentina


Don't know about the rest, but the Battenkill IV (80s version) was a re-badged and drilled Hardy Uniqua, John. The 80s version of the Uniqua was indeed unique. In as much as it was possibly the most boring reel ever produced. Truly shocking.

My advice re reels is go for something reasonable mid priced and functional.

I bought a Hardy Demon a few years back. It was.... ok. Hardy's tolerances aren't what they used to be, but I was struck by the cassette retaining system. It looked pretty good. However, if you had cold fingers early or late season it was a nightmare to turn the retaining ring. Things came to a head when, during a November session, I changed lines. Successfully, so it seemed. Only to find on the next cast that the spool and cassette parted from the reel, bounced off the boats gunwale and disappeared into 3 fathoms of water. After hand lining in lots of backing in I got the cassette but no spool. Bugger!

After that I had a Wychwood Trufly SLA. Cheap as chips. Very good when new but as they wear the cassettes get harder to push on or remove. Eventually I ended up with one line permanently stuck on to one reel. Sod it! So now I've got a couple of Hardy Ultralite CLS 5000s. Absolutely spot on. A supremely secure cassette fixing system.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never really been "into" Orvis reels, never owned one etc, but now you mention it & looking back the reels did look VERY similar. I'll vow to your experience on this particular model.

Maybe they had produced a surplus & thought if we drill some more holes & re-badge them, that should get shot of them, in non-marketing terms, of course.

My own reels include a couple of Hardy LRH's + a few extra spools, not sure if I'll use them again as my style of fishing has changed somewhat since I purchased them. I also have 3 Grey GT/R X's in 5/6 & a 7/8 both with quite a few cassettes for normal "everyday" use. As you say, once the cassettes get damaged, initially it'll reduce the number of line options, as they're like rocking horse droppings on ebay now. I also have a couple of Speedex narrow spool "jobbies" with a few spools that I'll probably sell sometime.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great discussion on fly reels, guys! Very Happy

Many years ago I had an Okuma Integrity and over time had accumulated 3 spare spools to go with it. It was on the heavy side even back then and certainly by today's standards, but I loved the smooth, free running spool and the one way drag. I thought it was bomb proof but unfortunately I was proved wrong when it went under the wheel of my car! Embarassed

A few years ago a brand new example still in the box with 2 spare spools came under the hammer at a Bristol Reservoir Fly Fishers Association tackle auction. I didn't bid because I didn't need another 7/8 reel but I was gutted when it went for just £8!!!! I am still kicking myself. Laughing

So if you are looking for a reel and you know what you want, don't ignore second hand tackle auctions and car boot sales. Bargains can and do turn up. Smile

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Yeah, the BRFFA auction is a great place to buy stuff, but don't expect to retire on whatever you try to sell there.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Apart from a few well know brands like Sage or Hardy, it is hard to get anything for second hand tackle these days. I have tackle I rarely use but I would rather hang on to it than give it away for next to nothing. Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject: reels Reply with quote

Well my old rimfly's/gearfly's and Mitchell Autos are still here.They served their time well and no complaints.Couple of Hardys in their by appointment to HRH Prince of Wales cases and a lone rare Shakespear Magnesium Alloy.Have not the heart to part with any of them :lol:My first venture into more modern reservoir reels were with Snowbee Cassette systems and I still have them too.Then I began to fish lighter set-ups mainly from a boat and over time collected a few more with some big guns amongst them and no regrets.A quality reel is worth having in my book and I appreciate it may take time to get there but when you put a piece of class on a good rod it just works for me.I quite often fish solo so no one is looking Laughing . Same on the river.It is not a brand thing theses reels are a pleasure to fish with.Finally I think I have all I need unless that special one comes along at the right price.Happened recently when a mint Waterworks Force LT came up and I bought it thinking I would sell one of the others but just never seems to happen Laughing

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