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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:58 am    Post subject: Marker Pens Reply with quote

Here is a question/ observation.
I use Sharpie marker pens to do all sorts of colouring tasks in my fly tying but I find that if I apply U.V gel or varnish to an area that has marker pen it will change the colour of the ink?
No doubt there is some sort of chemical reaction that takes place even if I let the ink dry and then add varnish.
Watching Mr Mc Phail I noticed that he uses Panton pens and there does not look to be the same change in colour when applying varnish.
I use Sally Hansens.

Are there any chemists out there who can explain this, and are Panton pens better?

As an after thought I have also been using sharpie pens to colour over gold beads so they take on a different hue,. They seems to stay coloured during fishing but I not sure it makes a difference to the trout.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter,

Pantone pens were very popular a few years ago and didn't seem to be affected by varnish. However, I notice that they are no longer available through Sportfish, so perhaps thereby hangs a tale. It is noticeable that not many published fly dressings in the magazines seem to require the use of marker pens, but then I suppose there wouldn't be much point using one on a Blob!

Re bead colour not being very important to the trout. It was noticed a good few years ago when the use of gold beads first took off that it didn't take too long for them to become less effective. When tungsten came along in a range of colours this seemed to be a thing of the past though reluctance to use gold is still quite prevalent - I certainly don't use gold beads. However, I am quite sure that bead colour is a significant factor, especially for grayling which is why I carry same patterned flies in a range of sizes and bead colours, ie PTNs in 14-18 in pink, black, copper, silver, green and rainbow. Probably explains why I carry 5 nymph boxes when I'm guiding or fishing for myself!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Wylye.
I now aviod resins and varnish with the area I use a sharpe, but if changing a thread colour from say white to red I give the thread a coat of fly tying wax after a coat on ink.

The bead comments are useful, have you tried colouring gold beads?
I run them onto the hook and then give them a good few coats of ink, they look good to me. One can also remove the gold top layer by heating the bead with a lighter and then dipping in water, the end result is a matt black bead ( c.o FFFT).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used Sharpie pens for years, as they are readily available, in many differing colours and pack sizes from my local Tesco's.

Just for a laugh with myself, I have been known to tie a completely white fly in 6" and 8" fibre on a 5/0 hook- Then colour the whole thing with my Sharpie's to produce a "Perch" emulating fly for use on Pike.
It was, unsurprisingly, very successful as a Pike fly - what did surprise me is that 5 years later, the same fly still sits in my Fly case with no obvious change in colour Shock A tad shredded and skinnier from many Pike attacks - but it still looks like a Perch. Dark, medium and lime green and yellow bands (working downwards) and slightly triangular black vertical stripes with brown edges - all are still there. Cool

All hail to Sharpie's. Wink ...... Tony Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter,

I don't even have any gold beads. Roman Moser in Austria on the Traun was the first that I'm aware of that noted the fish switching off gold, especially the grayling.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried this trick for marking fibers?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one, Peter. Very Happy

Not used the clips to aid marking my flies before. Will have to give it a go when I tie up some more Perch patterns. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give the gold bead marker pen a go and let me know what you think Very Happy
I do a gold bead and green marker pen it looks very fishy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same as Alan Embarassed

All mine were "sharpied" freehand - will have to try some clips

Thanks for the video - very instructive Peter ....... Tony Very Happy
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