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Does rod flex affect loop size?

 
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:06 am    Post subject: Does rod flex affect loop size? Reply with quote

Hi, I remember reading some years ago, how the flex in the rod tip, dictates the size of the casting loop, is this true? If it is, then why don't we fish rods, using fast tip actions for smaller loops?

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer, no. Tip path dictates loop size, the straighter the tip path (SLP) the narrower the loop.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is true that the line follows the rod tip path. Thus a straight path creates a tight loop. Arm drop or wrist bend at the end of the cast will lower the tip (relative to the general prior stroke) and open the loop - sometimes only a smidge, which is a good thing.

However, with a HARD STOP on each of a soft or a stiff rod, the soft rod will deflect further and open the loop more than a stiff rod. IMO, to achieve a loop of the same size on a soft rod as a stiff rod, the stop on the soft rod must be firm but not hard. I have tried and don't think I can really do it. However, if grace were ever to be introduced to a cast, it would be in the stop of a soft rod to avoid excessive tip deflection.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good answer greg Smile

As stated, the line follows the rod tip path and as long as your hand motion varies to make the tip path of both the stiffer and softer rod the same, then the loop will be the same.

The information on the stops is Ok but you can (if required) dampen a softer rod more than you would a stiff rod to cancel out the extra tip deflection during and after the stop.

Again this is just adapting the hand so the tip travel is the same for both soft and stiff rod. You just do it during and after the stop as well as during the stroke.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berlin wrote:
Good answer greg Smile

As stated, the line follows the rod tip path and as long as your hand motion varies to make the tip path of both the stiffer and softer rod the same, then the loop will be the same.

The information on the stops is Ok but you can (if required) dampen a softer rod more than you would a stiff rod to cancel out the extra tip deflection during and after the stop.

Again this is just adapting the hand so the tip travel is the same for both soft and stiff rod. You just do it during and after the stop as well as during the stroke.

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So is this what is known as 'Drift' and talked about a lot by Paul Arden

http://www.sexyloops.com/advice/drifting.shtml
http://www.sexyloops.com/movies/drift/drift.mpg

He seems to be of the opinion that drifting up and back slightly after the stop improves the cast no end
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It does seem in the short video that there doesn't seem to be a definite stop on the back cast and his hand has a very pronounced downward movement in the forward cast

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The larger the loop, the more energy is thrown in a direction that is not at the target. When fishermen overload a fly rod with a line heavier than the manufacturer calls for, they cause the rod to flex more deeply, which creates larger loops on longer casts.
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The larger the loop, the more energy is thrown in a direction that is not at the target. When fishermen overload a fly rod with a line heavier than the manufacturer calls for, they cause the rod to flex more deeply, which creates larger loops on longer casts.
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The larger the loop, the more energy is thrown in a direction that is not at the target. When fishermen overload a fly rod with a line heavier than the manufacturer calls for, they cause the rod to flex more deeply, which creates larger loops on longer casts.
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