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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:33 am    Post subject: General Lure Fishing Reply with quote

After a day at Farmoor trout reservoir trying to catch pike and perch on lures I thought that it may be worth starting a new thread that encompasses all forms of predator lure fishing..
We fished No1 and did not catch but reports from the warden were that No 2 produced Perch and some Pike to the lure.

There are strict rules imposed by Thames Water on what lures can be used to avoid catching trout (which will happen) unfortunately these rules reduce your chances of catching what you are after. They do allow dead and live bait that can be purchased from the warden in the form of small rainbows.

Anglian Water use to impose similar rules but have changed them to account for modern lure fishing methods such as drop shooting.
It is obvious that Bristol, Thames and Anglia are trying to increase revenue at the trout waters during the winter periods and in the case of Pitsford a lot longer by allowing the unwashed pike anglers on to fish Very Happy

Catching trout on lures is not as easy as many think (in my experience) a spinner or silver spoon fished up in the water will not be a guarantee for trout and a soft plastic bounced along the bottom is very unlikely to snag a trout, apart from maybe a monster brown.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuesday the 15th November we made the trip up a congested A1 to Grafham Water arriving later than planned at around 9 am.
The weather was very kind to us with a low s/w wind, over cast skys and the water still had some colour to it.
It was a quite day with around ten boats out on the water and at least half of those were predator/ lure boats.
The trout fishermen all seemed to be back trolling and reports at the end of the day seemed to point towards alot of fish being caught with this method.
We motored across too the North shore and set up some drifts on the drogue past the tower and into the bays (farm bay).
This proved unproductive fishing a combination of spoons ( ABU Atom), soft Plastics and vertical jigging with 15 grm jig head and small grub patterns.
We then moved up to G bouy and fished the whole area of deep water ( down to 60 feet) again with little to show for it.
The rain set in at two and we spent the last two hours searching for fish then returned to the dock at 4ish.
There were some local experts/journalist also fishing and their results were poor which made our blank slightly easier to cope with.
I use a Lowrance Elite 4x but the experts had the top of the ranger fish finders and I think this is the reason they caught fish, a long with there past experience of Grafham and Rutland. With the much more expensive fish finders you can record previous locations fished with the GPS functions and return to them on the next trip.
Fishing these large bodies of water without electronics is difficult especially if you only get a few days a year to visit them and can not build up a knowlege of good locations.
We will try again once the weather gets through the cold snap thats coming which should hopefully improve our chances.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame about the blank, seems a really challenging piece of water. Love the lure picture, especially the Abu Atoms. A real classic.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post. Sorry about the blank. How much do those lead head jigs weigh? Do you chuck them a bit ahead of the drifting boat and then retrieve vertically?

I've got some 10 gram soft plastics for my tropical trip next year, but not sure how far I will be able to cast them. May need a trip to the local park!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Don't you just love the ABU Atom, very under rated on the current lure scene.
The weight of Jig heads I used on the day were between 10 and 20 grams.
The 10 gram, I was casting and then waiting for the lure to hit bottom (watching for takes on the drop) and then retrieving with a lift and drop taking up the slack line.
The 20 gram heads were for dropping to the bottom and then jigging vertically (zander and perch).
A ten gram jig head and soft plastic will cast a long way, the larger weights come into play when you want your lure down at a certain depth and keep it there, taking into account depth of water and speed the boat is moving.
Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it would be quite a fun winter project to make my own jigs. I presume fishing over coral I will be losing a lot of them. Doing a bit of research, it seems that you can make jigs out of just about anything! Table knives, spoons, bottle tops, even coins!

I’ve got loads of Waddington shanks for salmon flies, so I think I’ll start with those – maybe weighting them with split shot and coating in epoxy and then painting. Watch this space!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with your winter project.
I know very little about fishing jigs in the Sea of the type you are planning on building, although I have had mixed success (in the UK) with soft plastics mounted on jig heads.
I once fished curly tails of the rocks in Jamaica and as predicted above they were shredded by each fish that I caught.
If you YouTube sea jigs there is a lot of information, as you probably already know.

I am planning a trip to Farmoor with the Fly Rod next week weather permitting.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I catch stacks of fish with metal jigs on my LRF gear. Pollock, mackerel, coalfish and even sea trout. I tend to buy lots of inexpensive ones and not worry to much about losing them. These are seriously good for the money but you need to change the hooks.
https://www.fishingmegastore.com/hto-shore-jig~19137.html
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I catch stacks of fish with metal jigs on my LRF gear. Pollock, mackerel, coalfish and even sea trout. I tend to buy lots of inexpensive ones and not worry to much about losing them. These are seriously good for the money but you need to change the hooks.
https://www.fishingmegastore.com/hto-shore-jig~19137.html


Those are the exact ones that I am looking to copy. I thought the hook setup was a bit strange, but then I saw a YouTube video where a guide was saying that his hookup rate was much higher on this rig than a treble off the back of the lure. He thought it was because the predator aims for the bait fish eye. Who knows!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BristolFlyer wrote:
fossil-fish wrote:
I catch stacks of fish with metal jigs on my LRF gear. Pollock, mackerel, coalfish and even sea trout. I tend to buy lots of inexpensive ones and not worry to much about losing them. These are seriously good for the money but you need to change the hooks.
https://www.fishingmegastore.com/hto-shore-jig~19137.html


Those are the exact ones that I am looking to copy. I thought the hook setup was a bit strange, but then I saw a YouTube video where a guide was saying that his hookup rate was much higher on this rig than a treble off the back of the lure. He thought it was because the predator aims for the bait fish eye. Who knows!


It is called an assist hook. No problem with this arrangement just that in this case the hooks used are not very good. I replace them with rear mounted single hook like this -
https://www.agmdiscountfishing.co.uk/7237-super-light-inline-hook-size-7pcs-p-4816.html?osCsid=4ec0ibghuhc76eeqnsr4lcid50
These work fine for the species I encounter in our waters.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been playing around trying to recreate the Ned Rig for cold water Perch fishing.
You can buy the Z Man Ned jig head and T.R.D baits from the specialists here in the UK but being a pensioner now and with time on my hands I have come up with this idea Rolling Eyes .
The jig head is a stand up from AGM which I already have and the soft plastic is basically used curly tail bodies and the foam is from boobie eyes.
I connected the foam to the soft plastic with a piece of 20lb nylon and super glue, the white top seems to stand up better than the orange top.
The second shot is of the two lures standing upright in a bowl of water.
Now I have not tried this yet but it looks like it could work, after another blank at a gravel pit fishing slow and deep the ned rig may have produced a fish but I did not have any. If they do not work I will be buying the Z Man components.
What do you think??
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried them today and the theory has worked, they stand upright off the bottom but do not have much action apart from that imparted by the rod.
The Z Man lures have all sorts of action when standing stationary (apparently).
The conditions were very cold with a dropping thermometer so as expected I did not catch any perch BUT I think they stand a good chance of working especially when hopped along the bottom.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fossil-fish wrote:
I catch stacks of fish with metal jigs on my LRF gear. Pollock, mackerel, coalfish and even sea trout. I tend to buy lots of inexpensive ones and not worry to much about losing them. These are seriously good for the money but you need to change the hooks.
https://www.fishingmegastore.com/hto-shore-jig~19137.html


These are really good - thanks for the tip! What is wrong with the hooks - they seem good quality? I'm used to flimsy trout and salmon hooks so maybe I need to reset my perceptions for the salt... Cool


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use them in the 7g size for anything that swims. I found the the hooks just a bit big, they seem to be same size throughout the whole range, and of poor quality. I changed them to a tail mounted single like this -
https://www.agmdiscountfishing.co.uk/7237-super-light-inline-hook-size-7pcs-p-4815.html?osCsid=471s9q4hv41t41ckfiemp47ap4
or this -
https://www.agmdiscountfishing.co.uk/7239o-open-barbless-spinner-hook-size-8pcs-p-6459.html?osCsid=471s9q4hv41t41ckfiemp47ap4


If you are collecting metal jigs these are also very good -
http://savage-gear.com/product/lrf-mini-casting-jigs/
Good value in a little pack of three. I even managed a sea trout on the 5g white one.



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A couple of hours on the canal today and they WORK Very Happy




This may look like the same fish but I had four in total.
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